Do you think Ireland will ever be united again to become a one and truly independent country?

100 years on: The partition of Ireland explained Why was Ireland divided? University of Rochester historian Stewart Weaver explains the causes and consequences of the partition of Ireland 100 years later. www.rochester.

edu Provinces of Ireland - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org No Ireland was only ever a single united political entity under British rule; we definitely don't want to go back there.



On the wider question, I do expect a 32 county independent republic to be the end state, but I'm not sure that at 70 I'll live to see it. Yes. After all Britain has never really been a united entity itself until it was lashed together by Union ropes in the 18th century and has periodically shaken itself substantially from time to time ever since uneasily on the 'Union' raft.

I think a United Ireland is inevitable. Why on earth someone would think that could only occur under 'British rule' is bizarre to say the least. There are more political interests for a united Ireland than against it, and it would solve a few trade issues at EU level, the Americans would like to be credited with helping to arrange it, and those ranged up against it (the privy council at Westminster, the crown, northern loyalists and a few mourners for CBEs in Dublin) don't have the legs over time to stand against the idea.

Just as neither Australia or Canada will remain dominions ultimately, a section of Ireland being 'British' when in fact it really isn't just in name only won't survive the dwindling death of Northern Ireland loyalism by much. Highly doubtful, first of all mexicantland would have to leave the EU and then stop being a subsidiary of Apple, Meta and Amazon..

. statsman said: Ireland was only ever a single united political entity under British rule; we definitely don't want to go back there. On the wider question, I do expect a 32 county independent republic to be the end state, but I'm not sure that at 70 I'll live to see it.

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At some stage, yes. I'm a decade younger, but I don't really expect to see it either. There's a very large middle-ground in the North that are clearly not convinced as yet.

Nor does the needle seem to be moving very much on the subject in recent years, despite all the various crises that have occurred. The one constant in politics is change, I would not be at all surprised to see a sudden change in people’s thinking. 10 yrs.

Personally think it will happen. Think the UK would gladly offload the 6 counties but thats just my take. However, it is so far down the list of priorities.

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its almost irrelevant. As a state, we can't even manage to build houses, roads or hospitals in the country we have, never mind adding more. reedak said: 100 years on: The partition of Ireland explained Why was Ireland divided? University of Rochester historian Stewart Weaver explains the causes and consequences of the partition of Ireland 100 years later.

www.rochester.edu Provinces of Ireland - Wikipedia en.

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. What does "truly independent country" mean OP? Is this another nebulous phrase where if the country doesn't match your undefined standard(s) then it's "false" or "fake" or doesn't exist? I expected at one point to see a UI in my lifetime. It seemed inevitable and obvious But as I age, I see how the years fly by.

Ten years are gone in a flash, and not much gets done In recent years I see what a massive task a UI would be, and I see from Brexit the folly of just going for it in a blind act of faith, without having all the work done. The slow pace of everything in this country---children's hospital, house building, children's spinal operations, NCT tests--- because of our huge population leap, makes me realise that we cannot cope with what we are dealing with, much less joining with a whole other jurisdiction We are coping badly with our population leap, and it is not just a matter of throwing money at it. We cannot recruit enough gardai, teachers, orthopaedic surgeons, GPs.

..We cannot house our present population as it is, much less the population of NI We can argue and wrangle for years and spend billions on a single hospital.

Yet we seem to think we are capable of dealing with a new educational and health system, a new system of administration and all the reforms necessary for a smooth and peaceful transition to a United Ireland It is looking more and more like pie in the sky, I am very sorry to say. It certainly won't happen in my lifetime. Probably will happen eventually but doubt it will in my life time and I've a reasonable expectation of living another 10 years.

In a way we are already united, to use an analogy we're living together just haven't tied the knot. What makes OP think that being united will automatically confer "independence"? NI is as reliant on British subsidies as we are on FDI. We're as united as we want to be.

Loads of guys i know have never been up north. I'm sure some nordies have never been south. We can do what we want and that's fine by me.

Someone else is paying the £10,000,000,000+ p.a. cost.

Win win. There was that troublesome cattle raid at cooley, they have form. gatsbygirl20 said: I expected at one point to see a UI in my lifetime.

It seemed inevitable and obvious But as I age, I see how the years fly by. Ten years are gone in a flash, and not much gets done In recent years I see what a massive task a UI would be, and I see from Brexit the folly of just going for it in a blind act of faith, without having all the work done. The slow pace of everything in this country---children's hospital, house building, children's spinal operations, NCT tests--- because of our huge population leap, makes me realise that we cannot cope with what we are dealing with, much less joining with a whole other jurisdiction We are coping badly with our population leap, and it is not just a matter of throwing money at it.

We cannot recruit enough gardai, teachers, orthopaedic surgeons, GPs...

We cannot house our present population as it is, much less the population of NI We can argue and wrangle for years and spend billions on a single hospital. Yet we seem to think we are capable of dealing with a new educational and health system, a new system of administration and all the reforms necessary for a smooth and peaceful transition to a United Ireland It is looking more and more like pie in the sky, I am very sorry to say. It certainly won't happen in my lifetime.

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I don’t disagree. But. 10 years ago on this very website, it was only a few moon howlers (myself included) who were talking up the chances of a United Ireland.

Brexit has moved the topic mainstream and reinvigorated the debate into the youth vote. The trajectory is clear. Will it be a rocky road? Yes.

But it will happen eventually. The arc of history commands it. reedak said: 100 years on: The partition of Ireland explained Why was Ireland divided? University of Rochester historian Stewart Weaver explains the causes and consequences of the partition of Ireland 100 years later.

www.rochester.edu Provinces of Ireland - Wikipedia en.

wikipedia.org Click to expand..

. Yes. [QUOTE="McTell, post: 14157799, member: 40656"]We're as united as we want to be.

Loads of guys i know have never been up north. I'm sure some nordies have never been south. We can do what we want and that's fine by me.

Someone else is paying the £10,000,000,000+ p.a. cost.

Win win.There was that troublesome cattle raid at cooley, they have form.[/QUOTE]Surely you can chip in a tenner.

Tight enough to be an Orangeman. That's you! ruserious II said: I don’t disagree. But.

10 years ago on this very website, it was only a few moon howlers (myself included) who were talking up the chances of a United Ireland. Brexit has moved the topic mainstream and reinvigorated the debate into the youth vote. The trajectory is clear.

Will it be a rocky road? Yes. But it will happen eventually. The arc of history commands it.

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Brexit is not quite the hot topic it used to be And Brexit taught us a few harsh lessons, apart from the perfidy of Tories and the intransigence of the DUP It showed us how important the actual details are , it showed us how an optimistic belief in sunny uplands and a belief that "sovereignty" alone will smooth all paths, can be very misguided. Yes, a UI will happen eventually But how, and what we mean by "eventually"---those questions have not been addressed. Nothing has been addressed, in fact gatsbygirl20 said: Brexit is not quite the hot topic it used to be And Brexit taught us a few harsh lessons, apart from the perfidy of Tories and the intransigence of the DUP It showed us how important the actual details are , it showed us how an optimistic belief in sunny uplands and a belief that "sovereignty" alone will smooth all paths, can be very misguided.

Yes, a UI will happen eventually But how, and what we mean by "eventually"---those questions have not been addressed. Nothing has been addressed, in fact Click to expand..

. The Ireland’s Future group have been doing good work in that regard but my belief is this needs to be picked up by Dublin and arrange either a citizens assembly or a department for unification to iron out what it will look like. I don’t think there is enough ambition in the current government for such a project.

Certainly not with the FF leadership. reedak said: 100 years on: The partition of Ireland explained Why was Ireland divided? University of Rochester historian Stewart Weaver explains the causes and consequences of the partition of Ireland 100 years later. www.

rochester.edu Provinces of Ireland - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.

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Yes. statsman said: Ireland was only ever a single united political entity under British rule; we definitely don't want to go back there. On the wider question, I do expect a 32 county independent republic to be the end state, but I'm not sure that at 70 I'll live to see it.

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If this ever happens, it will ensure a smother transition to a Federal EU State. The Republic will then be completely dead!.