2 weeks Ago By Hillmanhunter1
So it looks as if there is a welcome beginning to the choreography that will be a prelude to restoration (in some format at least) of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). Iran nuclear deal: US agrees to join talks brokered by EU Tehran yet to answer invitation seeking reinstatement of 2015 agreement torn up by Donald Trump www.theguardian.
com Hopefully there will be an attempt to eliminate nuclear weapons from the whole of the Middle East. The weapons that are located in Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan all need to be on the table. Hillmanhunter1 said: So it looks as if there is a welcome beginning to the choreography that will be a prelude to restoration (in some format at least) of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).
Iran nuclear deal: US agrees to join talks brokered by EU Tehran yet to answer invitation seeking reinstatement of 2015 agreement torn up by Donald Trump www.theguardian.com Hopefully there will be an attempt to eliminate nuclear weapons from the whole of the Middle East.
The weapons that are located in Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan all need to be on the table. Click to expand..
. This is quite fraught. Iran is the key to peace in the MIddle East.
Iran as an "outsider", allied to Russia and China, is just going to be a permanent thorn in the side, a guarantee of forever wars. Regime change in Iran is a mirage. It would no more bring peace than regime change in Iraq did.
This is like the Good Friday Agreement in many ways. Both sides know the end points they desire, it is the "choreography" to get there that is the difficulty. This is a more pessimistic view, I hope things can get beyond this.
Biden team takes a major step in offering to start talks with Iran as Tehran’s sanctions deadline approaches Iran set a deadline of Feb. 21, vowing that if oil and banking sanctions are not lifted, it will expel the U.N.
's nuclear inspectors from the country. www.cnbc.
com The political brinkmanship raises questions over Biden’s plans to salvage a deal which has effectively been on life support since former President Donald Trump pulled the U.S. out of it in 2018.
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Big mistake by biden, making the first move. The psychology is to wait for the weaker side to ask for something, and take it from there. If the mullahs do build a bomb, their economy will be in bits.
They are the nazis of the world today. McTell said: Big mistake by biden, making the first move. The psychology is to wait for the weaker side to ask for something, and take it from there.
If the mullahs do build a bomb, their economy will be in bits. They are the nazis of the world today. Click to expand.
.. Did you ever hear of the internet rule that said whoever mentions Nazis first usually has lost the debate.
Godwin's law - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org By this rule McTell is already losing.
Hello. I'm an Internet Regulator as it happens and can confirm that the 'internet rule' invented to forestall quite legitimate criticism of actual Nazis doesn't actually exist. Have a nice evening.
And safe home. McTell said: Big mistake by biden, making the first move. The psychology is to wait for the weaker side to ask for something, and take it from there.
If the mullahs do build a bomb, their economy will be in bits. They are the nazis of the world today. Click to expand.
.. Before the Nazis really got going (1937, say), Stalin had murdered a few million in Famines and Purges, so if Iran is the Nazis, maybe Saudi Arabia provides the Stalinist balance? I can see conventional missiles being brought in by the Americans to these negotiations, but human rights? Really? Sort out what your own allies like Egypt and KSA etc.
are doing first. On Iran’s foreign policy, again, there are parallels with other countries. Syria and Lebanon should be a separate debate uncoupled from JCPOA and in Yemen the Saudis are more deeply involved in the war than Iran is.
The big unspoken issue, here and almost everywhere these days, is China. Pakistan has already fallen into China’s sphere of influence and Afghanistan, ironically, looks like it’s going the same way with the Taliban. The next domino is Iran and, unlike the Soviets in the Cold War, Xi and the gang have oodles of money to offer.
If Tehran does capitulate, China will be one satellite away from a direct route to Europe. America needs to consider these realities and must ensure it pushes the mullahs in the right direction. Explainer: Why Are Iranians Angry Over A Long-Term Deal With China? Iran is negotiating a controversial 25-year agreement with China that has resulted to accusations that parts of Iran are being sold to China.
www.rferl.org Ardillaun said: On Yemen, the Saudis are more deeply involved in the war than Iran is.
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Really ? Who told you that ? former wesleyan said: Really ? Who told you that ? Click to expand...
First question: which country has spent more in that war, Iran or KSA? There’s no contest there. The Houthi insurgency would exist with or without Iranian support; like the Taliban, they’re an inconvenient fact on the ground that will have to be accepted. Repartition looks the most sensible solution.
Even if one believes that Iran and KSA etc. are involved to a roughly similar extent, why demand better behaviour of one‘s enemy than one’s allies? It’s as unreasonable as American demands on Iranian human rights abuses (which are massive). All other countries should get out of the civil war in Yemen, not just Iran.
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The Iranians may be supporting the Houthis from afar but the Saudis are actually in Yemen. Good enough? Saudi-led intervention in the Yemeni civil war - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.
org McTell said: Big mistake by biden, making the first move. The psychology is to wait for the weaker side to ask for something, and take it from there. If the mullahs do build a bomb, their economy will be in bits.
They are the nazis of the world today. Click to expand..
. He had to undo the moronic blunders of the orange buffoon. McTell said: Big mistake by biden, making the first move.
The psychology is to wait for the weaker side to ask for something, and take it from there. If the mullahs do build a bomb, their economy will be in bits. They are the nazis of the world today.
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The thing is that both sides are deeply divided internally but whereas Biden is (probably) not risking his life or liberty in these negotiations, Zarif and the pro-peace faction in Iran almost certainly are. The stakes are far higher for them. America is, by many magnitudes, the more powerful party - it can afford to be generous.
Politically, restoring JCPOA will be very dificult for Biden. I hope he succeeds. Hillmanhunter1 said: So it looks as if there is a welcome beginning to the choreography that will be a prelude to restoration (in some format at least) of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).
Iran nuclear deal: US agrees to join talks brokered by EU Tehran yet to answer invitation seeking reinstatement of 2015 agreement torn up by Donald Trump www.theguardian.com Hopefully there will be an attempt to eliminate nuclear weapons from the whole of the Middle East.
The weapons that are located in Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan all need to be on the table. Click to expand..
. Who has nukes in Turkey and KSA? parentheses said: Politically, restoring JCPOA will be very dificult for Biden. I hope he succeeds.
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He doesn't intend to The Playbook here is to make Uncle Sam look like the nice guy in the room - & the Mullahs as Party Poopers...
Ardillaun said: The thing is that both sides are deeply divided internally but whereas Biden is (probably) not risking his life or liberty in these negotiations, Zarif and the pro-peace faction in Iran almost certainly are. The stakes are far higher for them. America is, by many magnitudes, the more powerful party - it can afford to be generous .
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Problem is we can't. It's not just about america, and this is one of the nastiest regimes on the planet. 40 years of consistent badass, when they could just sit back and sell their oil, crop their pistachios and make their fesenjun.
Iranian culture is very beautiful, and tourism would be huge, but nobody in their right mind would go there. Catapulta said: Who has nukes in Turkey and KSA? Click to expand..
. The US has nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey: Nuclear sharing - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.
org The Saudis keep their nuclear weapons in Pakistan: Nuclear program of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org Will Biden gaslight Iran.
..and try to blame them instead of Trump for tearing up the previous deal? Wouldn't be surprised if he did.
The US must lift the new and very harsh sanctions that Trump imposed first, in order for any trust to be restored before tentative talks even begin. Hillmanhunter1 said: The US has nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey: Nuclear sharing - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.
org The Saudis keep their nuclear weapons in Pakistan: Nuclear program of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org Click to expand.
.. I thought that as part of the Cuban Missile Crisis, the US withdrew nuclear missiles from Turkey? There were old, obselete and about to the scrapped anyway.
Submarine-based missiles were the future. I think Turkey are involved in the NATO advance planning for nuclear weapons based there in the event of war. But I do not think there are any based there now.
Edit: This is wrong. There are tactical nuclear weapons based at Incirlik..
